As for the "perception", I think some negativity is due to the "revolutionary" hype and the disappointment that Qantas could have had something really special here if only they'd gone with a couple of extra inches in legroom. Each of the 42 Business class seats converts to a comfortable fully-flat bed. David Flynn travelled on the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner delivery flight from Seattle to Sydney as a guest of Qantas. Hi Guest, join in the discussion on Review: Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner premium economy seat, Executive Traveller is published by Business Travel Media Pty Ltd, a corporate authorised credit representative (#515763) of MGS FINANCIAL PTY LIMITED (#337568). For couples and duos the A+B and J+K pairs: When travelling with a partner or friend, there's no reason to have a seatmate in the centre group when you can instead sit together by the windows! Thanks David for this detailed review, it doesn't pull any punches, is very 'considered' about identifying the problems and should make some commenters on the Qantas Boeing 787 Business Class review realise that AusBT remains independent and always ready to call a spade a spade. When even scoot could factory fit WiFi to their budget 787 aircraft there really is no excuse for Qantas and their super long haul 17hr flight aircraft not to have it. If they do the right thing and pump it out to 40-41", it'll be a sign they've recognised their error and the fix will eventually come for the 787. Credit to AirNZ for the way it acted so promptly in fixing its premium economy legroom issues, however AirNZ's Boeing 777-300ER premium economy Spaceseat cabin was almost twice the size of the Qantas Boeing 787-9's premium economy cabin. Also read: AusBT reviews the Qantas Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner business class seat. Further . 4. With its sights set on non-stop flights from Sydney to London and New York, Qantas is certainly in it for the long-haul.But the Roo's route from Dallas/Fort Worth to Sydney already sits as one of the longest non-stop treks in the world. Its However, baby bassinets for economy passengers are found directly behind 23A/B and 23J/K, too but with bassinets also at the front of premium economy, choosing a different row won't provide much difference. If not, it'll be a poor signal as to how QF view their W class customers and what could've been a class-leading seat will remain just average. 4. I'd suggest Qantas will look to purchase bandwidth on the ViaSat network for international flights, and that's still being built out ViaSat 2 launched mid-year and the much faster ViaSat 3 series will launch from 2019/2020. But I have yet to see a PE seat that retains the sense of space and comfort. neighbours to get to the isle to queue for the loo - and paying a On top of that, there's extra cut-out space chiselled intothe wide armrests: Qantas counts those recesses as storage areas, although they'd best suited to small slim items such as a notepad, travel diary ormaybea compact tablet in a protective case. Qantas PE and F classes are a total waste of money it seems. It's a completely different seat to the A380s, and I don't think anybody is complaining too much at all. Oh wait, there may be an excuse for Scoot..so they've a higher chance to earn more fm baggage allowance(if pax BYO a tablet device among their travel belongings), tablet device rental and wifi connection fee.excellent excuse indeed. Awards Review: Westpac Altitude Qantas Black Mastercard credit card, Up close with Lufthansas new Allegris business class, Lufthansas new first class features double beds, Jumbo upgrade: Lufthansa 747s to get Allegris first, business class, Australian passports now work with e-gates at Kuala Lumpur, 5 reasons you shouldn't bin your boarding passes, What to do when an airline cancels your flight, New ways for airlines to win your business, Australia's airport mask mandate will soon come to an end. The design is wonderful, but at 65 tall, I think I will have to give it a miss. On 28th November, I flew Qantas Dreamliner from Darwin to Sydney. Why the same complaints not extended here on this forum.". Sign up to our twice weekly newsletter to get the latest premium travel news, exclusives and inspiration right to your inbox. For comparison, here are the one-way Saver fares on this route when booked as part of a return trip: Economy: AU$1,399. Seat width: 17 inches. Still a tight fit, didn't get pics along the lines you suggested (due to limited time during the walk-through pre-delivery, and then the premium economy cabin being near-full of sleeping media on the overnight leg of the delivery flight itself). this product is what we can expect to put up with for 17+hrs, the A hint of this is already evident in this glossy PR photo (eyeball the proximity of the model's knees against the seatback) and that's the recline of your own seat. I know it is ausBT policy to rarely review and venture past row 35 in to the Y cabin however it would be interesting to hear how tight it is back there in the infamous 787 3-3-3 configuration! I'm all for recline, but the implementation here looks dreadful - loss of leg room, and getting way more 'up close and personal' with the head of the person in front than I've seen before ! THE SEAT. The pairs of seats along the windows are the best choice, offering a more premium feel and better privacy. Ok, apart from the hammock thing it's no advance over something like the prev gen PE seating on EVA - Which at it's height had 40" pitch (reduced to 38 when they reconfigured the J cabin), same pivot-cradle style seat but executed better - with leg-rest, and seat dropped into it's own space when reclined, minimising the space encroachment on the passenger behind. Do you have a pic of both seat in front and pax seat side one? Seat pitch and width: 38"- 42" and 19.5 . What a fantastic and detailed review David. Of course, consumers and their feedbacks don't care about design specs of PY being too close to J and the Rev$ consequences. And people wonder why we bag Qantas as being a crap airline! And premium I just can't get as comfortable as economy which is ironic.". I think the fact it took such a long article to explain the mechanics of a Premium Economy seat, probably tells you everything you need to know about that product. Looks very underwhelming and quite tight. I travelled in Y to LAX so here are a few quick points: The new seats are not much better than a Coach seat, with restricted leg room, less . Economy vs. The lavatory issue is a problem for QF which now has W class pax stumbling through a darkened J class to get to their allocated loo, a poor outcome for both J & W pax. That includes Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide. Bold claim? The seat. If you can book these seats ignore business. Not sure any airline, QF included are too keen to resolve the issue. And once the passenger in front of you reclines their seat, things get very tight. PER-LHR experiment will be a failure. 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Find out what makes the Qantas Dreamliner 787-9 the most advanced long-haul aircraft of its type anywhere . It's completely free and we'll never pass your information on to Not a chance in the world. The modern Business suites on Qantas' Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners are similar to the seats found on the A380. Great article with lots of detail.It demonstrates that, once again, Qantas took a great hard product (a well-designed seat with lots of terrific features) and rendered it distinctly sub-standard by squeezing them too close together. This won't make for a comfortable flight, especially not on the Dreamliner's 17+ hour non-stop trek between Perth and London. No way will I risk that ever again..so disappointed to hear this on the Dreamlinersuppose I'm dreaming to think they could make seats for tall& some for short ? That date has now arrived and true to its word, Qantas has released a glut of space. Well send you an email containing the activation link. Signing up with Executive Traveller only takes a second and lets you Find out more about inflight dining, entertainment, seat maps and more. 1. Log in below. Registration: VH-ZNA. 7. I actually slept worse in the JQ J seat on the 788 than I normally do in the QF Y seat on the 333/332. It's a far more costly PY design specs than many folks imagined for NZ to go 41" instead of the typical 38" like QF even if no diff in seat construction cost. That will probably need a rethink. Submitted by SeatGuru User on 2019/11/16 for Seat 21J. Boeing 747-400 (744) Seats: 58 Business 270 Economy 36 Premium Economy. Connect with other business travellers in our, Review: Westpac Altitude Qantas Black Mastercard credit card, Up close with Lufthansas new Allegris business class, Lufthansas new first class features double beds, Jumbo upgrade: Lufthansa 747s to get Allegris first, business class, Australian passports now work with e-gates at Kuala Lumpur, 5 reasons you shouldn't bin your boarding passes, What to do when an airline cancels your flight, New ways for airlines to win your business, Australia's airport mask mandate will soon come to an end. PatrickK: Bon is correct, this is a different seat. Hmm perhaps Qantas might revert back to 31" in Economy to make room for 40" in Premium Economy??? Generally a fan of the seats Qantas designs (and they are thoughtfully done), but their very tight configurations (especially on jets that don't need it [A380]) really undermines the designs. Imagine being in economy for 17 hours. 2-3 extra inches of seat recline. Whilst NZ did make the right decision by removing the row of its ironically named Spaceseat, it blew up its economics and doomed it to the scrapheap. Probably because SQ's Premium does not have this issue of leg room when reclined. Usually, these seats immediately face a fixed wall, dividing the seats from something else in the cabin. Sorry QF, it's a big thumbs down! Not for me. Seat Type: Standard Recliner. The Premium Economy seating on the Qantas 787 is a huge step down from their retiring 747 fleet. . I'd also love to know where you heard about Scoot and Singapore Airlines sharing bandwidth from cause I've never heard of such thing before. third Use the British Airways award search tool to locate space. I agree, I like more of the recline than fully flat in Business. But there's a trick to using this: the narrow L-shaped frame needs to be pulled out from the bottom-left corner of the screen for maximum grip, not from the middle as most people would expect. 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